Bohemian Rhapsody's Terrible Editing - A Breakdown

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    Bohemian Rhapsody won the Oscar for Best Editing... but it has terrible editing.
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  • Thomas Flight
    Thomas Flight  29 күн бұрын +22

    John Ottman Editor of Bohemian Rhapsody Responds: kzclip.com/video/qy35ZJcxIg8/бейне.html

    • Adam Baldwin
      Adam Baldwin 13 күн бұрын

      @Powderwombat Frankly, I don't give a crap about awards because I've seen way too many bad movies receive them. As to why we're talking about this scene, well it's the subject of the video, that's why.

    • Powderwombat
      Powderwombat 13 күн бұрын

      ​@Adam Baldwin It's one scene out of an entire movie... why is everyone so obsessed with this scene? Why not break down some of the good editing like the Live Aid scene. It's like people who never watched the whole movie think the whole thing has terrible editing based on this one scene that everyone keeps obsessing about. It won best editing which is voted on by professional film editors.

    • Adam Baldwin
      Adam Baldwin 26 күн бұрын +3

      While I do think Ottman was being genuine in his response and his account of how "the scene" came to be, watching this again just reinforces how bad the editing is, and while it does appear to be shot fairly poorly, you nicely demonstrated how the scene can be improved using the existing footage. Ironically, Ottman claims the need to cut it down as one of the reasons for the terrible editing, and yet in order to make the scene better, you cut it down even further. I'm going to chop this up to tunnel vision on his part, as he was probably staring at this footage for hundreds by the time he was done with this scene.

      The cinematography is quite bizarre and rather bad, though. The extremely wide shot thrown in the middle, why did they even film that? It's as if you're filming a several minute-long scene that either starts or ends with a wide shot, but the characters in the shot are all doing things mid-scene.

      I would love to give Ottman the benefit of the doubt, and I do give him credit for taking responsibility for his editing, but there's no way around it, this scene was a major blunder. And while circumstances and studio pressure no doubt made things difficult, isn't that why you get paid to do the job? I think other editors encounter similar situations all the time, and the truly great ones rise above those problems and get the job done. I really don't mean to be judging Ottman, but I think he could have and should have done a better job.

  • SuperRicket
    SuperRicket Сағат бұрын

    rumor has it that all band members had to have equal time on screen. that could be tough to edit.

  • sammiety
    sammiety 9 сағат бұрын

    ngl, a lot of the dialogue scenes gave me headaches :')

  • ThePumpdog99
    ThePumpdog99 3 күн бұрын

    While the editing may have been a mess, the movie itself was like watching a sped up A&E Biography on Queen. It lightly touched on many, many subjects, but never completely told the story. The actors were great but the writing/script/direction was off. This was an R rated story made into a PG film

  • Andrewo Mennah ☣
    Andrewo Mennah ☣ 3 күн бұрын

    Probably it won best editing just for the Live Aid scene, but it was mostly because of Malek, he did a really good job.

  • Jovis
    Jovis 3 күн бұрын +1

    yeah I agree editing and transitioning between scenes is bad IMO

  • Mostafa Ahmed
    Mostafa Ahmed 3 күн бұрын

    The movie is gre at

  • Rover Waters
    Rover Waters 3 күн бұрын

    Bohemian Rhapsody guitar solo was written by Brian May

  • Gamemaster 365 6
    Gamemaster 365 6 4 күн бұрын

    I really don't see what the big deal is that was a good movie and the editing was the way it should be I believe you can't criticize something that you haven't even done yourself

  • IndieVisualSophie
    IndieVisualSophie 7 күн бұрын

    Someone told me that sound editing and film editing are similar. If you don’t notice it whilst watching the film, then it’s good.

  • Pranav Mistry
    Pranav Mistry 7 күн бұрын

    There are no set rules for a good edit. Rules are a trap and it restricts you. The only thing that matters is sticking to the story and the characters in it.
    You cannot question an editors decision unless and until you were in that room.

    • Darkrider6970
      Darkrider6970 15 сағат бұрын

      This youtuber has no clue what he is talking about but presents with a convincing, authoritative tone. He is mostly criticizing stylistic/artistic choices against his own dogmatic standards. There is a reason why Bohemian Rhapsody won the American Cinema Editor's award (voted on my film editors)...some of the scenes in the movie (production of Bohemian Rhapsody, Live Aid Concert) are actually masterclasses in film editing.

  • Robert Bracey
    Robert Bracey 8 күн бұрын

    A little knowledge can be dangerous. Your recut does not work very well at all because it fails to deliver what the original did - the original makes the audience increasingly uncomfortable, especially contrasted with the long tracking shot that opens the scene. An audience not familiar with editing will share the feeling of the band, feeling uncomfortable and off-balance, in fact you get this effect if you watch the scene without sound. Knowing something about editing causes you to think it is 'wrong' because it does not conform to basic guidelines. Whether it deserved an Oscar is hard to tell but there is a clear purpose to the editing of this scene.

  • Daniel Mims
    Daniel Mims 8 күн бұрын

    I didn't like this movie at all. I wanting Sacha Baron Cohen and the more truthful movie he wanted to make . Cohen looks alot like Freddie and is British . Malek is really good and did good in the role but what could've been..

  • Aiden G
    Aiden G 8 күн бұрын

    Might as well just put the camera on a stick and spin it.

  • rome8180
    rome8180 9 күн бұрын

    Seems to me this scene suffers from a lot of problems. Uninteresting cinematography and uninspired screenplay are just as significant to me as the editing. And those three things are probably interconnected. If a scene doesn't have a clear sense of purpose and tone, I imagine it's hard to edit it.

  • TheaterPup
    TheaterPup 9 күн бұрын

    Yes, it did win. Deal with it.

  • Donald James
    Donald James 9 күн бұрын

    don’t have to specify on editing, the movie is entirely terrible

  • lil fuckin party city clearance section palette

    This is some Catwoman-level editing. And we all know how that one was received...

  • phaederkiel
    phaederkiel 12 күн бұрын

    Sorry, but i have to disagree with your recut. I think the original is better.
    I have not seen the movie,all of what i have seen is what you show here. Yet I feel that the nervousness that shows through the second shot of Brian before the two other men are shown is very well expressed in the shot. Everybody needs to look their best, and he checks on them if they are looking good, which we see even before they are shown.
    I agree with most of the other things you say. The editing is surely flashy, possibly overly so.
    The shot of three members without Brian could be rooted in the story, though. On one hand, the scene seems to be filmed somewhat from his angle (commenting on mercurys choice of dress, looking if the other guys look good), on the other hand: I would, not knowing anything about the history of queen, surmise that this character gets thrown out of the band in the movie.
    These three guys are queen, the take seems to say.

  • Powderwombat
    Powderwombat 13 күн бұрын +2

    You are talking about one 90 second scene out of an entire movie. Why not break down some of the good editing like the Live Aid scene or the bathroom sink transition into tv van satellite. It's like people who never watched the whole movie think the whole thing has terrible editing based on this one scene that everyone keeps obsessing about.

    You're bitching about a 90 second long scene in a movie that's over 2 hours long bro, and claiming "Bohemian Rhapsody has bad editing", meanwhile you describe good editing techniques over footage of Bohemian Rhapsody doing exactly those techniques. What the fuck are you talking about? See the problem isn't really in this analysis, but it's in the presentation such as your stupid video title which is misleading, and idiots who haven't seen the movie or are complete sheep will somehow translate this into thinking the entire movie is this poorly edited. It's not. It won best editing which is voted on by professional film editors who know more about film editing than you do. John Ottman is an oscar winning Hollywood editor and you're a fucking KZclipr.

  • FonchCakes
    FonchCakes 15 күн бұрын

    This is so hard to watch lmao. I almost can't believe the movie actually looks this way.

  • DefinitelyNotaPervert
    DefinitelyNotaPervert 15 күн бұрын

    I think another issue with the editing of this film is that with the amount of cuts they have, along with the said spatial continuity, it ends up overwhelming the viewers' eyes, and therefore, making them feel tired, dissoriented, and needlessly confused, due to the amount of unnecessary information that's being presented all at once.

  • Satan Lover13
    Satan Lover13 17 күн бұрын

    7:22 Your cut is shit the other way is better

  • Enrique
    Enrique 17 күн бұрын

    At the very least the grading is good

  • Jake Marko
    Jake Marko 19 күн бұрын

    The Academy responds to lobbying and box office more than quality. Alot like Washington does with donors and special interest.

  • Elmo Jedburgh
    Elmo Jedburgh 19 күн бұрын

    This Movie Is The Definition Of BULLSHIT

  • Mat Dub
    Mat Dub 20 күн бұрын +1

    Freddy Mercury was pretty awesome so let's give the movie a lot of awards.

  • 6yu Dalgıç
    6yu Dalgıç 22 күн бұрын

    Bj

  • Gamefreak974
    Gamefreak974 22 күн бұрын

    I think he did this smart. Kept interest. Honestly if this was shot normally it’d probably get boring and I’d get lost in the background.

  • anna feretzaki
    anna feretzaki 25 күн бұрын

    Come on you didn't like it!!!!
    It was amazing

  • Theo
    Theo 28 күн бұрын

    Dude such an awesome analysis

  • The Manhands
    The Manhands 29 күн бұрын +1

    Now that I've seen the original along with John Ottman's response, I think it would be really easy for him to be more defensive. This is direct, candid criticism from a KZclipR (sarcasm) of a professional who is clearly accomplished. But that doesn't make you wrong. Your changes are an improvement, maybe even objectively. I wish he had acknowledged that. Also, his ad hominem about your voice and speaking style was definitely NOT professsional.

  • Meg ôwô
    Meg ôwô Ай бұрын +1

    god the movie was so damn confusing and flip flopping all over the place, fuck it

  • bargh70
    bargh70 Ай бұрын +1

    I didn't know what I didn't like l about this movie but I had a feeling there was definitely something. Editing. Yep.

  • ledepi34
    ledepi34 Ай бұрын

    *People must realize this: Me, as example. I would not mind this movie winning the Oscar if it had only one bad edited scene. I would not mind if it had only two bad scenes either.*

  • Rosen Bar
    Rosen Bar Ай бұрын +1

    This is the most fascinating video I’ve seen in some time. Thank u 4 explaining to the public. (And I loved the movie!)

  • badluckkennedy
    badluckkennedy Ай бұрын

    it doesnt look like freddy mercury, it looks like raimi malek in a wig and false teeth, not to mention the movie was directed by a convicted pedophile

  • murtadha96
    murtadha96 Ай бұрын

    Brilliant analysis

  • kuntexterminator
    kuntexterminator Ай бұрын

    I hated the parts where it just showed characters tilting their heads and staring blankly.

  • Ben Sagal-Morris
    Ben Sagal-Morris Ай бұрын

    Compare this movie’s editing to Goodfellas’ editing, and you’ll see why this editing sucks.

  • John Bailey
    John Bailey Ай бұрын +1

    Thanks brian singer

  • Max Isola
    Max Isola Ай бұрын +1

    I would say that Edgar Wright’s movies are the best examples of having editing that is noticeable, but still great.

  • Cyberlife Child
    Cyberlife Child Ай бұрын +1

    Okay I understand but this is the best movie to be made in my opinion.

  • ItsBadgerr
    ItsBadgerr Ай бұрын +1

    okay, the movie was supposed to be about an important man’s life time, he is a legend, and they have to get the movie in less than a couple hours. They are going to have to cut out a lot of things, they have to get the basics. You people can not be mad about everything that is left out because the band had done a lot during this time. You people need to be grateful that John, Roger, and Brian agreed to do this film.
    There were A LOT of excellent editing in this movie and you are telling a group of people that this movie has terrible editing, what a shame. And you must not have anything to do in your life if you are going to nitpick their editing mistakes. Did you actually see the Live Aid scene? Did you see the camera angle? Did you see the camera angles and movement throughout the movie? And since you had all the time to nitpick these mistakes J hope you realize that their editing skills mixed the actors voice and the group of the actual band’s voice together. Just wow, ungrateful.

    • Big Boss Sam
      Big Boss Sam Ай бұрын +3

      Disco Deacy you really thought writing out this long paragraph would make the editing any less bad

  • Gordon Antell
    Gordon Antell Ай бұрын

    This is from somebody who isn't a Film Editor or has ever worked on a Studio film. Utter garbage from an armchair critic.

    • Morten Aanstad
      Morten Aanstad Ай бұрын +3

      You don't need to be a filmmaker to recognize bad editing; you base your judgment on the standard other filmmakers have set

  • Yubi K.
    Yubi K. Ай бұрын

    I love coming back to this video every now and then.

  • Neh-Bih Sangbong
    Neh-Bih Sangbong Ай бұрын

    The editing of this film made me pull a gasket.

  • Gachachii 2
    Gachachii 2 Ай бұрын

    Wow. The editor of the movie just dropped an F-bomb in a podcast. SKSKSKSK


    Also, Gwilym Lee is a _bit_ taller than Brian May.
    Gwilym: 1.88 m
    Brian: 1.87 m
    I'M SHOOK

  • Carter Creative
    Carter Creative Ай бұрын

    I normally like your videos but this one is very pedantic and overly "know it all" in tone. Film editing, like anything creative, can be achieved in many ways.

    • Morten Aanstad
      Morten Aanstad Ай бұрын +2

      @Carter Creative
      Said the guy who was emotional in both his original post and in his first reply. You're such a hypocrite with double standards

    • Carter Creative
      Carter Creative Ай бұрын

      @Morten Aanstad I disagree, no need to get emotional.

    • Morten Aanstad
      Morten Aanstad Ай бұрын +2

      @Carter Creative
      What makes you an authority of what people don't get bothered by and not? You're also contradicting yourself by claiming that everything is up each and everyone like there are no standards or authorities for anything, but then come off as an authority yourself by claiming that the editing doesn't bother anyone. There's also something called "being critical to sources", and if the option is to listen to someone who has done some basic research (yes, BASIC research) on film editing or a random anarchist troll, then my decision is pretty obvious.
      "Pedantic and overly know it all tone". That's just some lazy excuse and defense mechanism people use just because they don't understand something or feel alienated, almost as if everything in this world has to be written for high school students

    • Carter Creative
      Carter Creative Ай бұрын

      @Morten Aanstad I watched the movie as your average movie goer and the editing did not bother me in the slightest. I very much doubt it bothered 99% of people who've seen the film either. It really is as simple as that and does not require analysis as such analysis is purely subjective, nothing more.

    • Morten Aanstad
      Morten Aanstad Ай бұрын +3

      If you're going to challenge the conventions, then your suggestion should at least be something that's still aesthetically pleasing. For example, you could be creative and original by making a Star Wars movie consisting solely of Jar Bar Binks literally pissing over Han Solo's grave, but I don't think most people would enjoy that

  • Marymead2
    Marymead2 Ай бұрын

    who put you in charge?

  • the Hitler of the Heart
    the Hitler of the Heart Ай бұрын

    The Oscar's make a lot more sense when you replace the word Best with the word Most.

  • Pipsta
    Pipsta Ай бұрын

    I WAS THE ONLY PERSON IN MY FAMILY TO NOTICE THIS..............

  • Pipsta
    Pipsta Ай бұрын

    Apart from this scene I really liked the first 70s tour montage especially the shot that goes through the bus and transitions into a concert scene. It wasn't that bad. This scene was bad because although in the contract there should have been the same screen time for all members of the band you could see that the director had told the camera operators to focus mainly on Freddie and Brian. That's why in a lot of scenes Roger and Deaky were together so they could make up for the screen time for those 2 characters.

  • Jason Mckinnon
    Jason Mckinnon Ай бұрын

    8:41 he says "by the way of" - but should be "in the way of" -used to indicate the type of thing that is being described, thought of, etc.
    If we're gonna be pedantic and scrutinize the minutae, might as well go all in. 💪

  • Laura Jones
    Laura Jones Ай бұрын

    Too bad First Man and Searching aren't nominated for an Oscar for Best Film Editing because those movies have some of the best film editing of last year. Any one of those movies would be a better choice to win in this category imo.

  • BlueFox94
    BlueFox94 Ай бұрын

    A strong part of me believes that the professional film editing community championed Bohemian Rhapsody out of a certain spite.

  • BiopicLover7418
    BiopicLover7418 2 ай бұрын

    The bad editing is one of the reasons why I turned off the film on my TV. I was losing interest quickly
    and I had only watched 1hour and 25minutes of it! Never went back to
    watch the rest.

  • Chris Sche
    Chris Sche 2 ай бұрын

    Love Queen. Didn’t care for this movie. I felt it could have been better in a lot of ways. Especially the choice of Freddy. The other casting was perfect though. And yeah the story was too fast and didn’t have a specific vision other than a movie about Queen with Freddy Mercury. People that don’t understand film have a hard time understanding what was bad about the movie.

  • Frank Booth
    Frank Booth 2 ай бұрын

    It was a terrible movie

  • Сова Томпсон
    Сова Томпсон 2 ай бұрын

    The editing is so terrible that I can't see angles, movements and sides with characters and visionary views in any sequences. I think Oscars gave it for Studio Recording Scene when the band recorded Bohemian Rhapsody single, but other scenes were edited primitively.

  • Sam Garcia
    Sam Garcia 2 ай бұрын

    Brilliant. Now please do a video breaking down the atrocious editing in the Brienne vs the Hound fight in Game of Thrones

  • AllieAndPeach
    AllieAndPeach 2 ай бұрын +1

    Interesting to compare the editing and camera placement in this and Mr Robot with Malek. Mr Robot is so somber, stylistic and interesting, it would be cool to see it translated into a more livlier setting.

  • Ben
    Ben 2 ай бұрын

    Ottman won the American Cinema Editor (ACE) Award for 2019, so we are not talking about Oscar voters who might not know the first thing about editing. The ACE is an honourary society of film editors. These people know editing more than novices who’re still in editing school and posting their inexpert opinions on social media. Maybe ACE judged it based on the challenges they knew Ottman had to hurdle, and said “frig it, that guy deserves an award.”
    Or they could have voted for Ottman purely on the Live Aid sequence, which elevated an otherwise tepid biopic. That was an excellently shot rendition of Queen’s finest performance.
    Ottman‘s been around a long time and I think his edits in such movies as the X-men series are excellent. He just made the best of a bad situation with Bohemian Rhapsody. The result speaks for itself - almost a billion dollars at the box office.
    Ottman said he was under a lot of pressure. Singer left, and Fletcher came and added a few scenes and Ottman had to stitch them in seamlessly. He added that the producers were breathing down his neck, something about giving each character equal screen time. (Would we be surprised if May and Taylor stipulated this?) Ottman said that if he could revisit this scene he would.
    I would challenge all those so called experts to make a hash of a stressful situation where the director’s been fired, a new one adds scenes which has a slightly different tone to the previous, and producers are jumping on your neck.
    The fact of the matter is, we don’t see where Fletcher took over from where Singer left. It could be that Fletcher managed to stay within the overall tone of the movie. OR, the editor managed to stitch these disparate scenes together such that no one noticed.
    Nope, no rookie editor can do that. So this knotty Queen-Reed scene is easily forgiven.
    I’m probably the only one who enjoyed this scene. The fast pace tells me how tense Queen feels that they might be rejected by Reed.
    Reed’s change in position amused me because it tells me he’s equally excited to meet Queen.

  • Naani
    Naani 2 ай бұрын

    The pace of editing is way to quick. It works for the music montage scenes, but that's about it.
    I always noticed this, but now that you've pointed it out, it makes me dizzy just trying to watch the film again.

  • J. R.
    J. R. 2 ай бұрын

    Aspergers in 13 minutes and ten seconds.

  • Jared Kunish
    Jared Kunish 2 ай бұрын +1

    You mentioned that maybe this scene cuts together so poorly because the director didn’t get enough coverage or maybe the blocking needed tweaking, so maybe the academy knew Bryan Singer did a bad job at directing and the editor made do with what crap he had and won the Oscar for it 😂

    • Ben
      Ben 2 ай бұрын +1

      I agree with this assessment. Actually Ottman did mention that he did a lot of postproduction fixing for Singer’s previous movies

  • Trey Nelson
    Trey Nelson 2 ай бұрын

    ....a lot of dudes playing the band look like females.

    • Morten Aanstad
      Morten Aanstad 2 ай бұрын

      Well, that was the fashion of the 70's; a lot of long hair and flashy costumes

  • Henry Negan
    Henry Negan 2 ай бұрын

    I see what youre saying but minus all that did you like the movie or was the shots driving you nuts?

  • Browk
    Browk 2 ай бұрын +1

    3:06 "Freddie, you're gay"

  • Zaf Mo
    Zaf Mo 2 ай бұрын

    you people still dont get it do you? the jewish elite own the oscars. they give out oscars when they want to humilate the film sometimes. EG - when they put THE MARTIAN as a comedy. Same here...they gave it the oscar for best editing to humiliate the film and its makers. cummon ppl wake up lol. Why do you think they keep giving the oscars to that same black actor in moonshine and the piano guy film, its to humiliate the industry and express the power they have.